FR – Gaming Yourself Out of Success

By Myth

First off, I must apologize for the rather intense hiatus I have taken, and will continue to a large extent, in my blogging.  I am currently waking up every weekday at 5:30 and finishing my days around 9PM on the good days.  I am very much living weekend to weekend and hopefully the weekends will still bring ample stories and insights to share.

On to the field report.  So I went out recently for my first foray into a gay bar.  I went with a gay friend and a female friend, and I figured I could spot the women in the bar who were not blatantly gay and then as ascertain quickly which camp they fell into.  I also thought that being a straight guy comfortable enough with himself and his sexuality to head out to a gay bar and just have a good time would work well as social proof.

This particular day I was pretty drunk by the time our story begins, so I unfortunately don’t actually remember how I opened this particular woman.  She was much older than me, but very attractive and I couldn’t be sure but seemed likely to be alone.  Early on, I started to get the vibe, which I get a lot, that women pick up quickly my high comfort level with myself and with sex and immediately equate this to what is often in their mind the “player” attitude.  I have successfully used many different tools to break this down but in this particular case I kinda crashed and burned and I think I know why.  This woman was older like I said, she already had kids, she had been jerked around by guys in the past, and she was not looking for sex.  She was looking for a protector, a provider, and knight in shining armor.  I didn’t intuit this early enough and I was using more of a “socially programmed woman” mindset.  I was trying to break down her inhibitions about sex and one night stands, and in doing so I simply corroborated her opinion that men just wanted sex without commitment.

This won’t be a long message but the point here is, know your target.  Some women have their fake slut defenses up around their friends and just don’t want to give in too easily.  Ultimately, they are just the socially programmed woman and they want the sex and you have to convince them that they should be independent and go after what they want.  Some women, however, legitimately fear sex and fear men who would use them for sex.  If you’re just looking for sex, you’re probably gonna have to work harder for these women or you should avoid them altogether.  If you’re looking for more than sex, make sure you avoid the subject of sex with these women early on and that in your actions (note: not your words, it means more to show it) you emphasize that you enjoy them as a person.

In the pick-up world we laugh at books who advise men to be the protector and knight in shining armor because we think we have the magic bullets of psychology, body language, kinesthetics, and the “venusian arts” on our side.  I have talked to a couple of women about my interest in this subject and so many of them have brushed it off as only working on a few women who probably would have had sex with you anyway.  I disagree with this.  But I do think it won’t work on all women.  Be careful about deciding which women will see a gamer as preselected and desirable and which will see a gamer as a manipulator and a hurtful influence.

3 Responses to “FR – Gaming Yourself Out of Success”

  1. flip Says:

    “women pick up quickly my high comfort level with myself and with sex and immediately equate this to what is often in their mind the “player” attitude.”

    In the geek words of the MM, DLV yourself. If you’re coming across too smooth, do or say something to disqualify yourself, work indirectly.

    It’s hard to read people sometimes, you would have figured an older woman all alone would be on the prowl, then again, it was a gay bar. Ironically, I bet you would have gotten further with this woman if she thought you were gay. Win her trust, isolate, and she’ll ignore the social programming. And stop drinking so damn much when you go out. It’s affecting your FR’s!

    Good to hear from you, man. Glad you’re still finding time to go out. I’m visiting a buddy of mine in Tucson the weekend of 8/18. Will you be in Phoenix? Maybe we can get together. I’ll drop you a line.

  2. Myth Says:

    You are so right about so many things in there. I do need to DLV and I think I try and it comes out more like qualifying. Like I’ve presented one image of myself and now I’m trying to turn course because I’m finding that the initial attitude was not the way to go.

    I will definitely be in Phoenix then so by all means give me a call and let me know when you’re in AZ. I have heard Tucson has a decent scene for PU so maybe I’ll take that opportunity to take the mini-road trip down there.

    You’re right about the booze too. I know its my weakness and it not only hurts my FRs, it hurts my game. Right now I’m only really getting out once a week or so, so I tend to go kinda crazy but I’m sure that will slow down in a little while, and I look forward to having some quality LR’s to share.

    Side note, last night I got a ridiculously blatant approach invitation at a club. I’m walking toward the back to use my phone and this girl does a 180 degree turn as I walk by. I have never gotten anything that apparent. I had my phone out when I saw it so I kept walking focused on what I was already doing then went back a few minutes later. I opened the two-set with David Bowie and #closed in about 5 minutes. Just thought it was not enough to be worthy of a full FR but definitely worth mentioning.

  3. stixzz Says:

    IMO all the methods work, and none of them work. Dumbo thinks he can fly because of a ‘magic feather’ but when it comes to the crunch and he loses his feather he still flys. Thats how it is with ’seduction techniques’. We invest a bit of faith in a certain methodology because we have no faith in ourselves. By us having faith in this thing, means we can go and talk to a woman, with the expectation that something ‘magical’ will take place. Thus we are far less hesitant which means more confident.

    The only REAL difference between an AFC and a PUA is that an AFC does not approach women, and if he does he does in a hesitant manner. A PUA on the otherhand does approach women, and because he talks confidently to a woman because he is secure in his ’skillset’

    But ultimately its not the skillset that does it, thats an illusion its the person themself. And a real big step in the game is when that realisation is made and one can actually be comfortable in ones own skin and be themselve.

    If one is comfortable in ones on skin thats bigger and more powerful than all the seduction techniques put together :)

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